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Mar 8 2009
Camp Quest

I have recently heard of Camp Quest which is a summer camp for children, of Atheists, Freethinkers, etc. There are several locations, but the closest is in the Smoky Mountains, the week of 7/26. I am seriously considering sending my 9yo son, as well as volunteer myself.

Has anyone been to or heard anything about this camp, or have any thoughts? Is there anyone else interested in sending their kids this year?


Amy Monsky

Mar 8 2009
Re: Camp Quest

This sounds really cool, where are the links for this?

also - why not start a camp quest chapter in this region.

Mar 9 2009
Re: Camp Quest

We actually had the guy who founded Camp Quest here as an SHL guest a few times. See here and here. I actually talked to him a bit about the camp. He seemed like a good guy and the camp sounds cool...but I don't actually know anyone who went there (or sent a kid there).

Mar 9 2009
Re: Camp Quest

oops! Sorry! I posted the link in the events section, but I forgot to here. I thought it would be great to start something up near here, but I have no experience. That's one of the reasons that I was hoping to go as a volunteer counselor.

Mar 10 2009
Re: Camp Quest or custom camp system

i'm looking into starting a summer-camp kinda thing, I'm looking into what makes them fun, and worthwhile for kids. camp-quest doesn't really describe that on the website. I'm kinda saddened by that.

What would be really fun in my opinion would be ordinary camp things.

Like younger kids get trips to see wildlife, nature ect. general nature walks.

arts and crafts, playing at the beach or pool to swim and learn how to swim with instructors that are fun.

goofing off in a play area with other kids

watching a movie at night with a projection screen with all the other younger campers

for a more mature kids, some sorts of competition like flag football between two sides of the camp, any kind of game is feasable like this.

for boys and girls a little more advanced versions of arts and crafts

archery lessons and competition

basic, kids at this age like to win for doing well, competition that doesn't make people feel like a loser.

writing letters back to parents and sending email and making a website photo diary to show friends and parents what's up at the camp during the week so parents can see while they are away.

*I know this sounds goofy. but music at the camp fire, done with drums and noise makers to learn percussion and team effort. winners from various competitions get to beat on the bigger drums as bragging rights and make the most noise and lead the music.

some meals will be during hikes, some will be done at the camp fire to teach kids how to camp-fire grill and some minor cooking experience.

I mean, you could jam-pack hundreds of possibilities.. ideally, the kids are allowed to choose specific things they want to do the day before, so headcount can be taken, and then Camp leadership/councilers can prepare ahead of time about what is going on the next day.

as far as rules and regs of the camp. standards apply. punishments exclude you from activities and a it's feasible to even report on the child behaviour via the web on a managed website where parents can check in.

the main focus is having fun,and not focusing so much on the rules, but leading everyone around to fun activities that are enjoyable. challenging and memorable.

I mean, the PRIMARY goal is to give them the above.. anti-religious sentiment shouldn't be any focus of any camp. fun should be. scientific method, ect.. can be practised as a norm. which is how it should be daily.

like controlled science experiments are possible in a camp atmosphere. like teaching kids the science of camp fires, and how to respect fire, and how to know a camp fire is completely extinguished so that a forest fire doesn't erupt. things Most people learned from generalized camping 101, either from the boyscouts are NOT known by normal children today.

this all has to be put into a fun, educational format for them to enjoy. plus making new friends and splashing each other at a lake is fun too..

Mar 10 2009
Re: Camp Quest

When I spoke to the Smoky Mountain leader, he told me that traditionally they have held their camp the first or second week in June. However, to accommodate school schedules for nearby states, they changed it, and so are not sure how that will affect the turnout. Last year they had 16 kids. He told me that the tentative turnout was one of the reasons not a lot was posted on what they would be doing.

Anyway, the ideas that Melio proposes sound great! However, I want to point out, when I imagine a camp for freethinking kids, I do not imagine "anti-religious" sentiments or activities. Maybe Melio did not mean to imply that, but I just wanted to clarify. I do think, though, it would be kinda neat to have a quote or short bio of a notable freethinker at some point during the day - not a major part of the day, but I think some mention would not be inappropriate. After all, I don't think our kids are going to learn about Thomas Paine or some of the others at school.

Melio, if you do come up with such a camp, whether a day or overnight camp, please let me know. I would much rather do something locally than go to the Smoky Mountains (although I'm sure they will be beautiful).

Mar 18 2009
Re: Camp Quest

I think it's possible to generate a camp that teaches kids to do basic survival , including activities that children will enjoy and the parents can attend as well and enjoy also.

I also think it can be fairly inexpensive.

like the cost of renting a camping location - we bring our tents, popups, whatever. plug em in, fire up our campfires, and everyone has they're own family units to attend to.

those who are NOT camp survival masters simple get help from others within the system.

I don't mean to point out the obvious, but what you don't know, you can learn and belive it or not, some campgrounds that would work for this have WIFI too. (yes internet on the grounds)

useful for doing things like finding out "oh crap, I should have bought this lantern at walmart"

and believe it or not, the walmart is within driving distance WHILE your camping...

I know this doesn't sound like ruffing it. but we live in a world where smart people simply don't find themselves lost in the woods that often. so camping doesn't really scare anyone any more.

So the concept here is :

everyone camps together as a family, people without kids can also attend, and the entire camping experience is REAL, but it's also comfortable if nessicary - such as running water, bathrooms

showers, and you don't have to chop wood to make a fire, and there's even a ring for your firewood in most cases.

These campgrounds are not overly expensive either. but the overall costs would be dependant on when you stay. how long. and what type of camping you want to do. be it Tent, Trailer (rent one or own one) ect.

all of the events could be planned ahead of time, we could an organized hot-dog roast, have kids play games and win stuff like fishing poles ect.

any one else have any ideas?

Mar 18 2009
Re: Camp Quest

Hmmm.... Melio, I like your suggestions. While it kinda gets away from the idea of a summer residential camp for kids, I really like the idea of a family camping experience, possibly for the weekend vs an entire week, with other like-minded families. Although I really enjoy this "club," honestly I feel kinda alone sometimes when it comes to the kids thing. I know there are others out there with young children, but it's rather difficult (at least for me) to get to know any of them. Maybe a simple weekend camping trip could be set up for families, with no other goal in mind than just to get to know each other. Of course, like you said, those without children (or at least children still at home) would be welcome, too. This could be a great way for the kids to meet other non-theist kids and parents to share tips for parenting freethinking kids. We could plan some activities, but also leave some room to play it by ear. We could use this first trip to kinda gauge interest level for a longer, more involved camp. What do you think? For the record, my kids are 9yo boy, 7yo boy and 3yo girl. I would be willing to take on some planning responsibility. I would also be willing to lead an activity, although my skills are somewhat limited.

Mar 19 2009
Re: Camp Quest

I have become so enthused with the idea of camping in general that I realized some of the maintenance items that have become a list of things I must do before or while camping for a popup camper we share with a neighbour of mine (she lets us use the camper, provided I repair and maintain it so she doesn't have to.. it's a good deal for us and for her).

So this morning we booked a weekend at Edisto Beach camp ground, the state park, we have never been to that region camping, and are going to do a survey of the area and have fun while doing it.

I hope the kid enjoys camping,

I know the prices are decent for camping, 25$ a night. and the camp-ground has RV and Regular tent camping.

I do know that I would be camping with an pop-up camper cause it's accessible and it kinda does make camping seem a little less rustic for new campers.

spoiled campers! .. I used to do this in tents, sometimes NO tents, just sleeping bags and a backpack on a long hike thru uncharted territories!

To reply to posts, the idea of a collective camping arrangement does seem like a lot of fun - we should mention it at the secular humanists meeting in the future, and raise interest, then continue to discuss it in this

public forum. This way we can organize, gauge interest, and determine the different needs of those who wish to attend so we can accommodate.

The different levels of knowledge in camping and basic recreation of this nature is always at question, and if we can poll and determine what levels of assistance we need to give others, like helping them set up tents,

giving them information about the possibility of renting a structure like a cabin or an RV for the weekend instead of tent camping. giving them options like just visiting for the day..

I would hope the camping trip itself would be LOCAL AREA, not a massive drive to the Greenville or the like. It's a waste of time, tree's are trees. and the only real changes in scenery we would be looking for can be achieved by parking a tent in the backyard.

I suggest we start polling people for experience levels, if we can determine how experienced people are, and of course willingness to do something like this. THEN we can determine dates people

would like to do it and can attend, then we can organize the event together as a group and make it really enjoyable.

Mar 19 2009
Re: Camp Quest

We would be interested in going for a weekend camping/hiking trip with y'all sometime this summer. My wife, my daughter and I have only limited camping experience and do not really have any camping equipment of our own.


Mar 19 2009
Re: Picnic first?

Maybe for a first SHL family event we could have a picnic at a park? That's much easier for a first go-round and we could discuss camp ideas in person. I don't know where you all are, but James Island County Park is nice with lots of things to do and picnic areas you can reserve. But any park would be fine. We could bring some outdoor games, each family could bring something to throw on a grill and something to pass?

Mar 19 2009
Re: Camp Quest

You can count us in for a picnic or a camping trip. Z and I lived aboard a boat for a long period of time and we have a popup camper that we use regularly now. Some of the beach parks are nice, especially this time of year, but all of our State Parks are nice.

Frank & Zoe Butler

Mar 19 2009
Re: Camp Quest

It's actually possible to camp at James island county park the same weekend of a Picnic. Since it's also a dual possibility, it's also possible plan ahead of time to book and get camp-sites available for the camping people and for those who do not wish to camp to just attend the picnic and stay for the campfires and whatever afterwards if you so desire.

We just need to organize what dates to do this in, and I would like to express that the sooner we KNOW the dates, and further out, the better the possibility, I would like to also mention that if we do this NOT on a holiday weekend so the crowd is not so abundantly intrusive/thieving/noisy.

Mar 19 2009
Re: Camp Quest

This is a checklist, for camping - I'm going post this, but don't print this like this, you can find printer friendly lists that are also more realistic... but i"m going to break this down so people understand.

(this will be a slightly long email, and a primer on camping)

All items on a camping trip need to fit in your car/van/SUV, so don't go crazy, if you can't fit it, you need to learn how to pack more efficiently, and leave room to sit.

When you actually go camping, 90% of the things on a list like this are a SUGGESTION, not what you will actually take. but like going on a Cruise, or a vacation somewhere. you only bring what you need.. the only difference is. your not going home with extra t-shirts or "trinkets" from camping.. unless your strange..

The object is to bring as little as humanly possible*

The More you bring, the more you have to re-pack.

Poor Planning on a camping trip makes it Miserable, Good planning Makes it FUN.

I'm going to break this checklist down.

Camping Check-list (compliments of

Shelter and Bedding (essentials)

__ tent

__ tarp

__ sleeping bag

__ sleeping pad

__ headrest

People that camp with tents need a tarp to place on the ground UNDER THE TENT.. why? because tents are actually NOT designed to sit on Rocks and mud!!!

The TARP is essential, you can set your tent up and measure your tents footprint or draw around your tent on a brand new heavy duty tarp or canvas. then cut it to size and sew it with a sewing machine

to secure the freshly cut sides and give it a edge that will last forever .. OR you can simply buy a tent that fits a tarp of equal size. the sizes are on the box you buy the tent in.

(most people fold the tarp under and this helps size it so people don't trip on it and it stays secure under the tent)

Sleeping Bags are NOT comfortable by themselves!!!

Buy a Pad, or an inflatable bed, or several thick blankets to place as bedding on the ROCK SOLID ground you plan on sleeping on. YOU will be surprized how comfortable 1/4th inch of foam is under your back when your sleeping on a rock solid, pebble laden ground. this is important, PLEASE don't forget to get something to sleep on .. My wife and I prefer an inflatable airbed - make sure you have the electrical equipment to inflate it otherwise it won't do anyone any good. headrest means pillows.

Cooking and Dining (essentials)

__ water

__ food

__ cooler

__ camp stove

__ mess kit

__ can opener

__ charcoal

Water is available at most camp grounds by way of faucet and it's clean and drinkable - make sure understand the difference between "grey water" and "Potable water" - they are different, and one you can drink (Potable)

For water storage, stores, camping supply et al, sells cube style gallon containers with handles, and they sport a nifty valve that will keep your water from escaping. keep separate water for making quantities of

frozen concentrated juices, kool-aid, "sun-tea", or other flavorod drinks and MARK them as such, so they can be continued to be used and not mixed on accident. some people prefer to make coffee not flavored with last nights residue of kool-aid.

Comfort stems from Planning.

If you cook food on your camping trip, you will need some basic planning to make it easy and fun. most of us are spoiled with microwave ovens, and still prefer to order pizza rather then fry a pork chop. Thats fine!

but when you go camping, Pizza guys don't deliver to tents because they don't think your organized enough to tip them. (there's some truth to that joke) But. even a frozen pizza can be cooked on a camp-fire or grille

if you do it right. get on-line and search out camping recipes and start making a list of them and prepare most of your meals before you go on the trip.

It's not required, but my family would make spaghetti with meatballs, with sauce and make Portiioned sized SEAL-A-Meal vaccume sealed containment. these bags could be any liquid or solid food of course, but the liquid types can be boiled, to bring to temp and serve piping hot. the hot water is also good for washing silverware in when finished. and the cleanup afterwards is a snap, you burn your paper plates and your done. time saving meal ideas like this can be found everywhere! and it's fun to do creative cooking on the camp-fires or in a pot.

Mess kits are plates, bowls, silverware, and a cup of some sort in 1 unit, they sell them at camping stores. but I think they're totally unessential for family camping. metal silverware, and paper cups and plates

are the most environmentally friendly way to camp. burn the paper plates or dispose of them in proper trash bins.

If you plan on bringing canned foods, like Ravioli, or spaghetti's for quick meals, bring a can opener, you know, the old fashion kind with a crank on the side. not the electric one :) you'd be surprised how many

times someone will intrude on your camping to ask you if you have one to let them borrow.

charcoal is needed if you do not have a Gas/propane/fuel type Camping Stove. these camping stoves are godsend btw. they cook like regular gas stoves at home, are extremly efficent and small in size.

if you do bring charcoal, bring enough for daily cooking requirements - a weekend will consume 1 full bag, a week will consume about 3.

I checked this list twice, I didn't see a camping coffee-pot .. they make these. they are coffee pots that work on regular stoves or charcoal fire pits and .. well make GROUND coffee and water into perculated deliciousness... it's not Starbucks but, but with some essentials like Creamer, sugar, and even bring some hot-cocoa for the kids with mini-marshmallows for the camp-fire. if you ENJOY this kind of thing, you will actually appreciate bringing it even more. especially after your first slightly uncomfortable night in the tent :)

Don't forget to check the fuel supply of your camping stove too. if you bring that empty your going to have to make a trip to the


__ t-shirts

__ shorts

__ jeans/pants

__ socks

__ shoes/boots

__ camp shoes

__ hat/cap

__ sweater

__ rain poncho

__ underwear

__ swim suit

__ laundry bag

__ _____________

__ _____________

__ _____________

__ _____________

The Above checklist is custom, you have to plan your outfits accordingly, campers usually wear layers at night, so make sure you account for that, and changing clothes often because camp fire smoke saturates

clothing is a really good idea also. so bring a supply of undergarments for each person, and make sure you bring quarters to handle the laundry facility incase you're limited on clothing and need to make a run to a laundry mat. - ALSO plan for accidents, and Weather! I suggest having stain remover pens, shout packs, whatever to save you time with the laundry incase a big ol' glob of camping whatever gets on your kids shirt.

the wind might blow a plate of spagettioes right into your face and mess your shirt up too. so think ahead and get something to treat the stain - I don't expect people to iron, press shirts and wear business attire to camping trip, so leave your dress pants and shoes at home, this isn't a fashion show! camping gear is stylish, cargo pants are all the rage still, and flip-flops, although light and comfortable, are not practical for kicking

around fire logs. pack some camping comptable shoes, socks, pants, shirts. and even swimming gear, incase the lake looks comfortable to jump in, or if the campground just so happens to have a pool you were not told about.. James Island County park has More then a pool to swim in. check the website, you'll be in shocked if you had no idea a water park like that existed.

Don't eat inside the tent, and don't cook inside the tent, and make sure you place your tent far enough away from the smoke and soot that the camp-fire makes. - also put the fire out at night. quit camping

like you see in the movies, camp-fires that burn all night waste fuel/lumber, and do nothing for no one.. if you put the logs out, you can relight them the next morning for cooking.

Personal Hygiene

__ tooth brush

__ tooth paste

__ wash rag(s)

__ towel(s)

__ soap

__ comb/brush

__ nail clippers

__ razor

__ toilet paper

__ _____________

__ _____________

Your camp ground will generally provide toilet paper, and hot water to shower in, with private stalls - the toilets will be clean, and the bathroom will have a mirror and sink to shave in for the men. I'm a guy, so I have

NO IDEA what they offer the women, I've never been on that side of the comfort facility. I'm going to take a wild guess that women probably have big screen tv, a sofa to relax on, and a candy booth that's based on the honour system. oh and stall showers, toilets, and mirrors to brush your hair in, and do girly artwork on your faces. I'm not sexist, but I'm going to guess that women bring they're own mirrors, and anything else needed to groom and maintain. the rest of the options above are general also - don't forget medicines and whatever else you may need for the trip too.

Shelter and Bedding (optionals)

__ book

__ cot

__ comforter

__ throw rug

__ pillow

__ Small hand broom and dust pan.

A book, bedtime stories, camping guide, receipe books, has this thing called a "kindle 2.0" don't mistake it for Kindling, that's wood you use to start a fire, the Kindle is an electronic book. for storing the mentioned books on, but requires a recharging method.. so leave it a home if you don't have electricity at your campsite.

Comforters are just big blankets, and belive it or not, if you unzip a sleeping bag all the way.. poof. it's magically a comforter .. but I think what they mean by a comforter, is something like a blanket of some sort that you can wrap people up in for when they are sitting around by the camp fire at night. something to sit on when your laying in the sun, at a beach or something .. big. ect..

The throw rug is actually not a bad idea. it's somewhere to put dirty shoes and to trap sand and dust from getting into your tent.

Pillow, headread, same thing.

The hand broom.dust pan will be used to sweep your tent out "DAILY" your tent area will become dusty, dirty, sandy, basicly whatever is outside, will try to get inside. .. take the sleeping bags OUT of the tent, shake them off as a morning ritual when everyone gets up and starts making breakfast, and place them on the table why someone who is clean, sweeps and dusts out the tent. once complete fold the sleeping bags up neatly

and place them back inside the tent.

Cooking and Dining (optionals)

__ charcoal chimney

__ smoker

__ Dutch oven

__ hot dog sticks

__ pie irons

__ chairs

__ folding table

__ table cloth

__ butane lighter

__ screen room

charcoal chimney's help keep charcoal buring at a certain temp, it's fancy. not necessary unless it's really windy, we use a camping stove and it has a wind shield built in.

smokers,, this is excessive, I know in the south everyone likes to smoke a brisket or a pig and try to do BBQ southern style while outdoors.. seriously. .. this is big time not necessary.

Dutch Oven .. these are hard to explain, they're cast iron deep dish pans, with lids that clamp down so you can cook on fires with them, they work really good when making popcorn too. and they're

just good for general purpose over the fire cooking.. this is for people who want to try using this device, it's really cool. but it's also fun. and heavy.. I never used one personally. but have seen people do

really big meals in them and they even make cookbooks to help you along with the "pleasures of cooking with a Dutch oven" .. go for it. I'd like to see one in use.

hot-dog sticks, - try to find sticks long enough to cook dogs over a fire with, camp-fire dogs are awesome.. .. you don't need a bun. just dip in em ketchup or mustard and eat it off the stick.. wooden sticks

are nice too. but they break and get damp and soften.. shish-kebab metal skewers sold on the internet are probably the best bet.. the kind for presentation are probably not a good idea. .. we haven't seen any

sold around here.. so if you do find some post a link.

PIE IRONS!!!!!!! these are awesome, they're cast iron flat cups that clamp together on a long hand connected to each cup, they hinge at the end, and you put two pieces of bread (preferably white bread) on either side

that you butter by rubbing the stick on the inside to coat it real good. then butter the bread too outside so they don't stick to the inside of the iron. and it crisps them when you cook it. Then you get pie filling. different

kinds and you make these amazing "HOBO PIES" .. this works with spaghetti, and other stuff too.. they pop out and the crusts burn right off, they're super hot so let them cool. but they're SO good.

Obviously you want to learn some of these neat tools for cooking on open fires, it takes your meal knowledge up a level, and give you a "fun" factor if your camping with kids. even adults like this, most people are

just too civilized to understand that fire cooks food! but you gotta do it with the proper tools and know how to use them!.

The rest on the list is a given, except the Screen Room -

The screen room is just a walmart special collapsible squarish, tent like shelter that has screens and screen tent doors that you can see out of. people get these when fly population and mosquitoes are so bad, that even sitting down for a meal, it's annoying. you find a picnic table and place it inside this screen room, and everyone is comfortable eating .. if it rains slightly it also keeps your table and chairs dry. and it makes for a central eating area that's enclosed in case bugs or rain bother you. these are good to have but not necessary once again. if it does rain while camping, and you can't cook because of the downpour, pack up the kids and get your sleeping bags off the ground so your tent won't flood and get them wet. (just in case) and take everyone out for dinner.. if you want to TRY to cook food while it's raining... Rain Sucks.

Cleaning Items

__ lawn rake

__ dish pan

__ detergent

__ dish rags

__ ppt scrubber

Lawn rake? -- OK, I can see this useful - for like 5 minutes, you rake all the pine cones, pine needles, and leaves and junk out of your campsite and make it really nice. then when you setup camp, it's decent

dish pan - fill it with water, wash your dishes.

detergent - dish soap comes in trial sizes. bring 1 bottle with a GOOD cap and keep it clean, if you bring one that's been used and the top is all nasty .. it attracts bugs.. so wash the cap really good and close it up so it doesn't leak.

Dish rags, popular items, I think they are gross. use paper towels, let them dry, burn them.

PPT scrubber, basic Pots and pans compatible scrubby, usually I use a box of dry, soap encrusted SOS pads made out of steel wool, I get a fresh pack .. because these make EXCELLENT fire starters. steel wool

burns really well .. it also makes for an excellent dispose by fire item also - after scrubbing a pot. the steel wool and soap is pretty much washed out and when the pan /ect. is clean. you let them dry and you chuck

em in the fire and they vaporize. clean and environmentally safe. if you don't dispose of them, they will rust and become dangerous. (rust is bad to clean with)

First Aid Kit

__ personal medication

__ bandages

__ aspirin, Tylenol

__ medical tape

__ sterile gauze

__ elastic wrap

__ antiseptic wipes

__ antibiotic cream

__ burn ointment

__ sunburn lotion

__ hydrogen peroxide

__ scissors

__ tweezers

__ eye wash

__ sanitary napkins

__ snake bite kit Chuck Box

__ salt and pepper

__ herbs and spices

__ cooking oil

__ pot holders

__ paper towels

__ napkins

__ plastic trash bags

__ tongs and spatula

__ aluminum foil

__ measuring cups

__ plastic silverware

__ paper plates/bowls

__ plastic cups

__ zip lock bags

__ knives

__ cutting board

__ cork screw

The list above makes sense. do you need all of it, well - think about it. all your nicks and scrapes can happen, all of your first aid items will become necessary if they are needed. and the rest is for eating

cooking, and taking care of general needs..

I organize a box before I go with all these items in them - the first aid kit I always keep in my car just in case. and the fact that we live in a hurricane prone area, makes for a box/kit like this really important.

the cork-screw too. wine is delicious at camp grounds :)

Miscellaneous Items

__ binoculars

__ bird guide

__ bug spray

__ bungi cords

__ camera

__ candles

__ cards, games

__ cell phone

__ clothes pins

__ compass

__ duct tape

__ fishing gear

__ flashlight

__ frisbee

__ GPS

__ kites

__ knife

__ lantern

__ matches

__ pen and paper

__ rope

__ shower bag

__ sun block

__ tools

__ water filters

__ whistle

__ _____________

__ _____________

and the rest is pretty much again - optional. but logical items, .. kites, pen and paper.. I mean really. it's JUST a suggestion.. water filters,.. If you need purified water ... but do remember that you may need filters for your brand new. never used before coffee pot that you got at walmart.. check it out read the directions.. figure out a way to make a coffee kit, a bag with all your sugar, creamer, stirrers you got from mcdonalds for free. and coffee filters.. oh yeah and the coffee grounds themselves.. you need to pack that too.

Just think each item out and PLAN PLAN PLAN. .. if your camping and you forget something.. you WILL remember it the next time, so trust me, plan plan plan . then pretend. set your tent up in the back yard

realize OH MAN, there's no HAMMER on this checklist to hammer in the spikes that hold the tent down. !!! geeze. that Melio guy forgot to add it..

I didnt forget it, .. I don't need it, I use a Popup trailer. :)

Mar 19 2009
Re: Camp Quest

Tent camping tips. ... t-Tips.htm

one camping tip I would like to offer, when selecting your tent, pay close attention to reviews on-line, people buy tents and complain about them on-line. find complaints! use them, learn from people that own that model, or other models. and get suggestions!.

also, I noticed when he set-up his tent, he did NOT use a tarp or a ground cloth to set it on, did you see how much cleaning he had to do to put it back in the bag.. be a neat freak! use a ground tarp :)

I tend to face my tent and organize my camp ground in a pattern that's spaced properly and a good distance from the camp fire ring - think about the smoke and soot that'll fly right into your tent even if you

have the windows zipped up, it'll stick to your tent exterior when it gets dewed ect..

Don't select a tent that fits the whole family! give the kids they're own tent! If your kids are scared to camp by themselves 3 feet from you in your tent, have them see a psychologist. they are nutz.

I don't think it's really silly to have a battery rechargeable vacuum that you can clean the tent out instead of sweeping ect.. that's kinda cool.. recharging it in your car or something.. neat!

Mar 19 2009
Re: Camp Quest

Speaking for my family, James Island sounds like a great idea, since it's both very local and could serve as a picnic plus overnight camping trip, to suit individual needs. I am perfectly happy to settle for a family picnic as a trial get-to-know-everyone/gauge-interest outing. JICP has that cool rock wall, too. We're fairly flexible on the timing. It might be easier to accommodate schedules (or not) if we waited for school to be out, although it may be cooler and less crowded if we do it sooner. Also, I've heard that the playground is being renovated and won't be finished until mid-April, so that may be a consideration as well.

Mar 20 2009
Re: Camp Quest

I think we need exact dates so we can plan specificly this picnic, knowing that will give us the ability to book a certain amoutn of time at the campgrounds. and plan ahead of time to make sure it's reserved

and we can get people involved who want to be trained on camping basics ect.

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