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reasonwithme
Feb 14 2009
Freedom of Speech Threatened at United Nations?

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 17789.html

meemoon
Feb 16 2009
Re: Freedom of Speech Threatened at United Nations?

"The Universal Declaration of Human Rights stated 60 years ago that "a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief is the highest aspiration of the common people". It was a Magna Carta for mankind and loathed by every human rights abuser on earth. Today, the Chinese dictatorship calls it "Western", Robert Mugabe calls it "colonialist", and Dick Cheney calls it "outdated" /// My,my,my. I see, so Dick Cheney is to be included as one of "every human rights abuser on Earth"? He is equivalent to a Chinese dictator? He had his political opponents beaten and murdered like Mugabe? After a lot of consideration as a kid, I felt that I didn't want to join any group that controlled the way I thought. I thought differently: There is no god. And that was it for me. Now, 50 years later, I find myself,on a site supposedly dedicated to individual freedom of thought,among those with a new religion. Conservatives are evil! OOOOH, EEEVIIILLL.Wise up. The greatest and most effective opposing force to the idiotic fanaticism that is Islam, was the Bush=Cheney administration. Let's see how the liberal "savior", Obama, handles them. (You can stop waving your invisible crosses now)

mccorquodale
Feb 16 2009
Re: Freedom of Speech Threatened at United Nations?

Meemoon, I think you're overreacting a bit here.

Maybe the author of the article was suggesting that Dick Cheney is a human rights abuser. It really doesn't say that exactly, but I suppose it could be inferred. I know there are people that view it that way. But, that's really all besides the point.

I don't think that "Reasonwithme" was really posting this article as a criticism of the Bush administration or part of any liberal/conservative battle. It's an article from a newspaper about the UN decision to consider any speech criticizing religion to be unacceptable. I would think that we here could all agree that this is a rather serious problem and that we agree the right to free speech - even if it is critical of religion - is worth fighting for.

Would you really rather turn this into a fight about the Bush administration rather than discuss the topic that was supposed to be the point of this thread?

reasonwithme
Feb 19 2009
Re: Freedom of Speech Threatened at United Nations?

meemoon...mccorquodale is correct. i presented the link to stir discussion on the freedom of speech issues at hand....not any conservative/liberal agenda....cheney didn't resonate in my mind even after reading it twice.

meemoon
Feb 27 2009
Re: Freedom of Speech Threatened at United Nations?

meemoon...mccorquodale is correct. i presented the link to stir discussion on the freedom of speech issues at hand....not any conservative/liberal agenda....cheney didn't resonate in my mind even after reading it twice.
I'm glad to receive any criticism I percive that I have attempted to divert this discussion to one of politics instead of freedom of speech. That was not my intention. As someone who didn't shed religious beliefs,but never had them,I have spent a long lifetime watching people denouncing any belief system that disagreed with the one they held. I consider myself politically agnostic. I am neither "liberal" or "conservative" although most of my fiscal ideology could certainly be characterized as conservative and my social philosophy could certainly be called very progressive. Yet I will not accept being called libertarian either. And thus my poorly stated point: We tend to drag our symbols around with us. As I would not read any article with a swastika in it's header, I tend to discredit articles that drag out the all too familiar symbols of evil such as Cheney,Bush,(any) Clinton, or (all) Kennedys. I don't buy the "Islam as a religion of peace" crap for one second and abhor the UN's postions recently concerning that hateful ideology. I've read the Koran and I see the UN's butttkissing as one of it's stated goals of "deceiving the infidel". I apologise for my obvious militancy in that direction.

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